AND THE PLAYOFFSY THING IS ON!
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Due to the earlier cup/championship issue the playoff pairings are now based on the cup groupings. Luckily this causes only 2 matchups to be different than they should be based on the championship results.
GAME ON!
Howdy G-Arrow. Here are my OK start times for the week (GMT+2/CEST):
- Tuesday 19-21.30
- Wednesday 18.30-20.30
- Thursday 18.00-21.00
- either Saturday or Sunday 9-22.00
Let me know if you any of those suits you, sir. I've got a thing to do on weekend that'll take whole day but I can do it on either day so I have another day available. I just need to know the day by Thursday if we are to play on weekend.
I'm guessing my matchup was one of them, seeing as I went 1-1-1 in the champs and a dismal 0-3 in the cup? :D
Anyway, Luiggi, I'm available for starting between 18 and 22 CEST on Wednesday and Thursday. I guess I could also do today from 2030-2200 CEST.
I'll probably be able to come back with some weekend times if none of those sound good.
Quote from: J-Reedy on June 18, 2012, 05:45:57 AM
Howdy G-Arrow. Here are my OK start times for the week (GMT+2/CEST):
- Tuesday 19-21.30
- Wednesday 18.30-20.30
- Thursday 18.00-21.00
- either Saturday or Sunday 9-22.00
Let me know if you any of those suits you, sir. I've got a thing to do on weekend that'll take whole day but I can do it on either day so I have another day available. I just need to know the day by Thursday if we are to play on weekend.
Sadly this week is very busy for me with midsummer and all. Actually the only night I'm free is today and the weekend is totally booked... I can play daytime tue-thursday or next week pretty much whenever if we could nudge the game week a bit.
Quote from: The Golden Arrow on June 18, 2012, 09:22:47 AM
Quote from: J-Reedy on June 18, 2012, 05:45:57 AM
Howdy G-Arrow. Here are my OK start times for the week (GMT+2/CEST):
- Tuesday 19-21.30
- Wednesday 18.30-20.30
- Thursday 18.00-21.00
- either Saturday or Sunday 9-22.00
Let me know if you any of those suits you, sir. I've got a thing to do on weekend that'll take whole day but I can do it on either day so I have another day available. I just need to know the day by Thursday if we are to play on weekend.
Sadly this week is very busy for me with midsummer and all. Actually the only night I'm free is today and the weekend is totally booked... I can play daytime tue-thursday or next week pretty much whenever if we could nudge the game week a bit.
All right. Well, give me a suitable daytime gaming time for Wednesday. I'll be working from home whole Wednesday and I should be able to squeeze in couple of hours gaming then. If that won't work out, I guess it'll have to next week. I'm guessing nudging the game week won't hurt anyone because of the midsummer (I totally forgot that it's already next weekend).
Time to meet some nice Elves. Must be better than those pesky orc's last time, right? Highest TV of all team's you say? And 5 blodgers, oh dear, time to call some not so nice friends to join the team...
Barmution, I can play almost any evening from 18:00 and forward this week if I just get a one day heads-up (even though tuesday is the least suitable). Weekend, not sure yet, but can probably play alot of times except friday evening and saturday morning (curing hangover at that time).
/Håkan
Gnaarchilli, when can we create a group hug contest?
I'm busy Friday/Saturday.
Otherwise, evenings starting games@~20:30isch.
B
Quote from: J-Reedy on June 18, 2012, 09:40:51 AM
Quote from: The Golden Arrow on June 18, 2012, 09:22:47 AM
Quote from: J-Reedy on June 18, 2012, 05:45:57 AM
Howdy G-Arrow. Here are my OK start times for the week (GMT+2/CEST):
- Tuesday 19-21.30
- Wednesday 18.30-20.30
- Thursday 18.00-21.00
- either Saturday or Sunday 9-22.00
Let me know if you any of those suits you, sir. I've got a thing to do on weekend that'll take whole day but I can do it on either day so I have another day available. I just need to know the day by Thursday if we are to play on weekend.
Sadly this week is very busy for me with midsummer and all. Actually the only night I'm free is today and the weekend is totally booked... I can play daytime tue-thursday or next week pretty much whenever if we could nudge the game week a bit.
All right. Well, give me a suitable daytime gaming time for Wednesday. I'll be working from home whole Wednesday and I should be able to squeeze in couple of hours gaming then. If that won't work out, I guess it'll have to next week. I'm guessing nudging the game week won't hurt anyone because of the midsummer (I totally forgot that it's already next weekend).
The best for me would be to start relatively early, say 9-10 so that the whole day is not lost.
Quote from: hakos on June 18, 2012, 02:20:32 PM
Time to meet some nice Elves. Must be better than those pesky orc's last time, right? Highest TV of all team's you say? And 5 blodgers, oh dear, time to call some not so nice friends to join the team...
Barmution, I can play almost any evening from 18:00 and forward this week if I just get a one day heads-up (even though tuesday is the least suitable). Weekend, not sure yet, but can probably play alot of times except friday evening and saturday morning (curing hangover at that time).
/Håkan
You are in for a treat, H! DSS hate causing casualties, that's why we let the crowd do our dirty business for us. Just let us dominate the sidelines, and you'll be fine. In true Druchii style there will even be something in it for you if you let us run freely towards your end zone ;)
How about Wednesday at 20.30 GMT+2/CEST?
Quote from: The Golden Arrow on June 18, 2012, 03:07:38 PM
The best for me would be to start relatively early, say 9-10 so that the whole day is not lost.
Early times are OK for me also. Wednesday 9.00 works fine but even earlier times (say starting from 8.00) are possible, if nescessary. So shall we say 9 at Wednesday or do you want an even earlier time?
Quote from: kvasilad on June 18, 2012, 07:53:14 AM
I'm guessing my matchup was one of them, seeing as I went 1-1-1 in the champs and a dismal 0-3 in the cup? :D
Anyway, Luiggi, I'm available for starting between 18 and 22 CEST on Wednesday and Thursday. I guess I could also do today from 2030-2200 CEST.
I'll probably be able to come back with some weekend times if none of those sound good.
Hey there kvasilad. Wednesday at 18 CEST sounds good, I'll see you in-game.
Quote from: Barmution on June 18, 2012, 03:08:52 PM
Quote from: hakos on June 18, 2012, 02:20:32 PM
Time to meet some nice Elves. Must be better than those pesky orc's last time, right? Highest TV of all team's you say? And 5 blodgers, oh dear, time to call some not so nice friends to join the team...
Barmution, I can play almost any evening from 18:00 and forward this week if I just get a one day heads-up (even though tuesday is the least suitable). Weekend, not sure yet, but can probably play alot of times except friday evening and saturday morning (curing hangover at that time).
/Håkan
You are in for a treat, H! DSS hate causing casualties, that's why we let the crowd do our dirty business for us. Just let us dominate the sidelines, and you'll be fine. In true Druchii style there will even be something in it for you if you let us run freely towards your end zone ;)
How about Wednesday at 20.30 GMT+2/CEST?
That time would suite me fine. See you then.
/H
Quote from: J-Reedy on June 18, 2012, 03:38:35 PM
Quote from: The Golden Arrow on June 18, 2012, 03:07:38 PM
The best for me would be to start relatively early, say 9-10 so that the whole day is not lost.
Early times are OK for me also. Wednesday 9.00 works fine but even earlier times (say starting from 8.00) are possible, if nescessary. So shall we say 9 at Wednesday or do you want an even earlier time?
9 is perfect for me :)
Quote from: Luiggi on June 18, 2012, 06:01:29 PM
Quote from: kvasilad on June 18, 2012, 07:53:14 AM
I'm guessing my matchup was one of them, seeing as I went 1-1-1 in the champs and a dismal 0-3 in the cup? :D
Anyway, Luiggi, I'm available for starting between 18 and 22 CEST on Wednesday and Thursday. I guess I could also do today from 2030-2200 CEST.
I'll probably be able to come back with some weekend times if none of those sound good.
Hey there kvasilad. Wednesday at 18 CEST sounds good, I'll see you in-game.
Ok! Can't wait to face those black orcs without my mino... sigh.
Quote from: Mr B on June 18, 2012, 02:44:45 PM
Gnaarchilli, when can we create a group hug contest?
I'm busy Friday/Saturday.
Otherwise, evenings starting games@~20:30isch.
B
Hi Mister, with the big B :)
How about today (tuesday) @20:30?
Otherwise i can play on thursday @20:30.
Lets see if my chumps can beat your champs!? =)
/Gnaarkill
Quote from: Luiggi on June 18, 2012, 06:01:29 PM
Quote from: kvasilad on June 18, 2012, 07:53:14 AM
I'm guessing my matchup was one of them, seeing as I went 1-1-1 in the champs and a dismal 0-3 in the cup? :D
Anyway, Luiggi, I'm available for starting between 18 and 22 CEST on Wednesday and Thursday. I guess I could also do today from 2030-2200 CEST.
I'll probably be able to come back with some weekend times if none of those sound good.
Hey there kvasilad. Wednesday at 18 CEST sounds good, I'll see you in-game.
Hi again! You don't happen to be available as early as 17? I know I said from 18, but my Wednesday changed a bit. I can still do 18, but 17 would be better.
Quote from: hakos on June 18, 2012, 06:17:39 PM
Quote from: Barmution on June 18, 2012, 03:08:52 PM
Quote from: hakos on June 18, 2012, 02:20:32 PM
Time to meet some nice Elves. Must be better than those pesky orc's last time, right? Highest TV of all team's you say? And 5 blodgers, oh dear, time to call some not so nice friends to join the team...
Barmution, I can play almost any evening from 18:00 and forward this week if I just get a one day heads-up (even though tuesday is the least suitable). Weekend, not sure yet, but can probably play alot of times except friday evening and saturday morning (curing hangover at that time).
/Håkan
You are in for a treat, H! DSS hate causing casualties, that's why we let the crowd do our dirty business for us. Just let us dominate the sidelines, and you'll be fine. In true Druchii style there will even be something in it for you if you let us run freely towards your end zone ;)
How about Wednesday at 20.30 GMT+2/CEST?
That time would suite me fine. See you then.
/H
Hi.
I'm sorry to say that I'm a little bit confused about what I'm doing on evenings. Can't make it either today or tomorrow evening. Is there any other time in the week that would fit your schedule?
/H
Quote from: kvasilad on June 18, 2012, 08:10:58 PM
Quote from: Luiggi on June 18, 2012, 06:01:29 PM
Quote from: kvasilad on June 18, 2012, 07:53:14 AM
I'm guessing my matchup was one of them, seeing as I went 1-1-1 in the champs and a dismal 0-3 in the cup? :D
Anyway, Luiggi, I'm available for starting between 18 and 22 CEST on Wednesday and Thursday. I guess I could also do today from 2030-2200 CEST.
I'll probably be able to come back with some weekend times if none of those sound good.
Hey there kvasilad. Wednesday at 18 CEST sounds good, I'll see you in-game.
Ok! Can't wait to face those black orcs without my mino... sigh.
Well, I won't deny that I was quite relieved when I checked your team and saw that your MONSTER Mino was injured. You have some dangerous beasts though, with good ball handling and decent speed.
On the other hand, I have managed to make a total of 24 skill-up rolls without a single double roll or stat raise, so I might as well rename my team to "Mediocre Orcs". The good thing is that orcs are still competitive with standard skill-ups, though a few extra stats or some dodge/diving tackle never hurts!
I guess this team compensates another one I had a long time ago with 3 STR 4 blitzers (one of them with dodge/7 mv) and 3 blodging Black Orcs :D
Anyway, it should be an interesting match, armor and casualty rolls will have a big impact on this one. You're outstrenghted but your extra speed and agility gives you an edge, so we'll see :)
Edit: I just saw your post... 17 is fine for me, no problem ;)
Yay, here's for relying on the speed, agility and ball handling capability of my chaos team... time to get those goat-elves out again :D
17 it is then, thanks a bunch!
Quote from: Gnaarkill on June 19, 2012, 10:45:00 AM
Hi Mister, with the big B :)
How about today (tuesday) @20:30?
Otherwise i can play on thursday @20:30.
Lets see if my chumps can beat your champs!? =)
/Gnaarkill
That could work, could be a little late but I think I'll manage.
Cheers!
/B
Quote from: Mr B on June 19, 2012, 05:13:28 PM
Quote from: Gnaarkill on June 19, 2012, 10:45:00 AM
Hi Mister, with the big B :)
How about today (tuesday) @20:30?
Otherwise i can play on thursday @20:30.
Lets see if my chumps can beat your champs!? =)
/Gnaarkill
That could work, could be a little late but I think I'll manage.
Cheers!
/B
Cool see you tonight B!
/Gnaarkill
Quote from: hakos on June 19, 2012, 11:03:26 AM
Hi.
I'm sorry to say that I'm a little bit confused about what I'm doing on evenings. Can't make it either today or tomorrow evening. Is there any other time in the week that would fit your schedule?
/H
How about Thursday the same time, then?
Thanks for the game Gnaar.
Cool game that had much entertainment.
First half both teams find them self in trouble when blocking.
Quit strange as this should be the strength of Norse.
First half ended with Morg catching and dodging scoring the equalizer.
In second half the dragon trainers started the grinder, still more elf skills could end the game in any way.
In the end the trainers could get hold of the ball ending the game 2-1 to the Norse :o
Good luck in the coming seasons Gnaarkill!
B
The second quarter has been played add well and it was a crazy game that ended 4-1 to me. I kicked and he started well with two injuries the first two turns. At least they weren't any important players this time. I managed to crowd push one of his wights though. After a few turns he got a small opening and didn't think it through before running his back carrier forward. Necro has got a big difference in speed between the fast and show players do even though he spotted the mistake and tried to cage up ad good as possible there was still an opening left and elves are the masters of capitalizing on mistakes. I blitzed the ball free, picked it up with one of my ag5 guys and threw it to a catcher who ran far away with the ball and then scored.
He only had 3 turns to score do had to push hard. He failed a hand off however and I picked it up and ran it up with a catcher to at least move the ball as far from my side as possible. He only got a 1 die block and skulled out with no reroll left letting me score the second td.
Second half it was basically decided and I scored a quick goal followed by one by him and then a fourth by me. I did however loose two players I'm the game plus one mng and rolled snake eyes for income so next game might be tough.
Thanks for three game j, was a blast!
Luiggi pulls off a 1-0 victory over the Dudes, who continue their losing streak. The first drive was brutal, in that I only had 4 or 5 guys left standing (no real injuries though, just KO's and surfs), and the Orcs perform a controlled TD in turn 8.
I was all set with 11 guys on the field in the second half, partly due to my 2x Babes, but failing a 2+ drop-off with RR in turn 10 pretty much turned everything around. There was chaotic scrambling for the ball for a while, but I never got away with it. I had excellent dice most of second half, but it didn't help me much, as I was out of position after the failed hand-off.
A third team makes it to the semi-finals as Orkitis beat Disorganized Dudes 1-0.
Orcs received a very deep kick that landed on their end-zone, but the orcs thrower could control the ball and put it upfield. The chaos team brought some special kegs of Bloodweiser Babes and the coach's intuition was proved right as 2 goats got KO'd in the first two blocks of the game. A promising player, an agile beastman, was knocked down DEAD in turn 2, but the apothecary saved him. Close call for a player that would get injured again in the last moments of the game.
By turn 3 the chaos team was 4 men down after a frenzied push by the orcish newly promoted Star, but his bloodlust costed him and his team dearly, as he was pushed again. Sure thing a Star has supporters, but in Blood Bowl they tend to have more haters, so he got stomped by a furious crowd that broke several bones, including his Collar Bone. The apothecary healed that injury but his ribs were still broken and thus he will miss the semi-finals... a big blow for Orkitis.
With both apothecaries gone by turn 4, this promised to be a gory game. The orcs scored in turn 8 with a great advantage in numbers; the chaos defence was helpless against so many greenskins. However, things would change in the second half.
All the KO's were back in action and they made a great play as they faked an attack on the left side only to move the ball all the way to the other side. However, once half of his team was repositioned and the orcs were way out of place, the extra-arms, 2 headed beastman carrier let the ball slip through his many hands, leaving the ball exposed near the orc thrower. The orcs got the upper hand again and secured the ball while preparing a counter-attack. Many chaos warriors and beastmen were far away from the action, but the ones that remained held their ground against stronger foes and prevented a second touchdown. They started to pummel the orcs and managed to get their armor broken 4 times in 4 consecutive blocks, injuring the best black orc on the pitch, as well as a tough blitzer. Things were not looking good for the orcs, so after picking up the ball again they tried to play the clock and ran back towards their end-zone!
Goats and warriors alike chased down the outnumbered orcs, who went for a desperate play involving a black orc catching a hand-off. It had failure written all over it and the outcome was not much different. The goats got hold control of the ball again but time was running out, so they attempted a quick pass to the extra arms goat... The agile beastman fumbled it, ending with any chances of making it to the semi-finals. Orcs punished the beastman's poor play by sending him back to the dug-out before attempting a miracle pass to a stranded black orc that was within scoring distance. The ball never got there but the greenskins were still happy about their win.
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Good one, kvasilad, that was a nasty, fun game. I'm pretty sure that had the minotaur been in this match, I'd be bandaging some orcs after a crushing defeat. The snake eyes on the hand-off were a game changer, so I'm thankful to Nuffle this time :D I lost my starplayer for the semi-finals but I got lucky with a cas + mvp on a black orc, so I hope he can make a stellar comeback in the finals and keep doing what he does best: hard-hitting!
PS: Will I get a doubles or stat-raise this time? I'm betting on a 6+5 roll on the BOB and a regular one on the Thrower... ah, the irony :D
PS2: With this game, one of the oldest players in my team, Glulor the lineman, reaches 20 matches played, with astonishing stats: 2 receptions, 20 yards ran, 5 casualties sustained, 2 KO's sustained, 1 tackle completed. 0 Touchdowns, 0 MVPs, 0 passes, 0 casualties, 0 KO's, 0 interceptions, 0 SPPs. Keep it up, I never liked SPP hogs anyway! :P
Yo, Hakos!
Would be nice to know if 20.30 tonight suits you :)
Quote from: Barmution on June 21, 2012, 07:50:35 AM
Yo, Hakos!
Would be nice to know if 20.30 tonight suits you :)
Hi
Sorry about my bad response time, this week suddenly got very busy for me but now it is back to normal again.
Tonight 20:30 suits me perfectly.
/H
Quote from: hakos on June 21, 2012, 10:24:56 AM
Hi
Sorry about my bad response time, this week suddenly got very busy for me but now it is back to normal again.
Tonight 20:30 suits me perfectly.
/H
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Excellent! See you tonight on the pitch, then!
-Barm
DSS wins 4 - 0 in a severe nuffling of Getingarna whose hired star Morg took way too long to really get into the match.
Really sorry about that Blitzer, Hakos :-[ Hope your luck improves next season.
-Barm
Losing the match was expected, 0-4 maybe a little more than I thought.
4 dead and another 6 badly hurt in total means this was the bloodiest match I have ever played. I believe the dark elf's did not KO any player for me, they hurt them instead. The dark elf apothecary managed to save his blitzer from death, but my doctor will be fired for incompetence. So in practice only 3 dead.
Among the dead was my second best player, the 14 SPP blitzer, and since Morg got the MVP this meant that in total I ended up with -8 SPP.
I was really impressed by the play from Barmution, didn't see any mistake at all and he really took advantage of the ones I did. Well played, good luck in the semi's.
Yeah, it was some ridiculous injury rolls I got, really sorry it had to hit you as you were severely underskilled as it was compared to my DElves. I've got to say that you played very decently, except for sometimes leaving your cage corners in contact with my players. Additionally, I don't think taking Tackle without having Block or Wrestle for protection first on linemen is very viable, but you got some milage out of it when you hurt off my (IMHO) best Blitzer early in the match. One thing you might want to consider next time you get Morg is to use him as a ball-carrier if you're really playing to win, as I would have MASSIVE problems dealing with him while you still had a crew to screen him. Another option would be to get Griff instead and load up on apothecaries, bribes and babes. In my experience Morg can be wasted inducements if you have poor 2d6 luck and don't use him to score. Griff is a fantastic ball carrier and you could easily use him to get into position and then hand-off to a player that needs SPP instead. Plus, Humans really shine as a bash team when they get in position to gang foul a lot. Griff will help you keep the ball safe while the rest of your team can focus on hurting lone players.
A very good Human coach posted this post (http://bbtactics.com/forums/lrb6-thoughts-tactics-humans-bash-t1101) on BBTactics.com, it's well worth a read.
Again, not really fun to maim a relatively rookie team like that. Hope to see your luck change and your team grow next season.
-Barm
Quote from: Barmution on June 22, 2012, 09:11:31 AM
Yeah, it was some ridiculous injury rolls I got, really sorry it had to hit you as you were severely underskilled as it was compared to my DElves. I've got to say that you played very decently, except for sometimes leaving your cage corners in contact with my players. Additionally, I don't think taking Tackle without having Block or Wrestle for protection first on linemen is very viable, but you got some milage out of it when you hurt off my (IMHO) best Blitzer early in the match. One thing you might want to consider next time you get Morg is to use him as a ball-carrier if you're really playing to win, as I would have MASSIVE problems dealing with him while you still had a crew to screen him. Another option would be to get Griff instead and load up on apothecaries, bribes and babes. In my experience Morg can be wasted inducements if you have poor 2d6 luck and don't use him to score. Griff is a fantastic ball carrier and you could easily use him to get into position and then hand-off to a player that needs SPP instead. Plus, Humans really shine as a bash team when they get in position to gang foul a lot. Griff will help you keep the ball safe while the rest of your team can focus on hurting lone players.
A very good Human coach posted this post (http://bbtactics.com/forums/lrb6-thoughts-tactics-humans-bash-t1101) on BBTactics.com, it's well worth a read.
Again, not really fun to maim a relatively rookie team like that. Hope to see your luck change and your team grow next season.
-Barm
Thanks a lot for the advice, it's very much appreciated, I'm still learning a lot of the finer points of this game.
I agree that I misplaced my cage corners at two times, not good.
I choosed between block and tackle on my lineman's before the match and in 90% of all cases I would have taken block. My reasoning for tackle was to have some kind of weapon against all your blodgers, especially those with side step. And yes, I did this choice because I tried to win. If I had thought more on the next season I would definitely have taken block. For the reasons you stated.
My plan with Morg was to constantly hit your weakest player in order to reduce your players and thereby be able to handle your best ones easier. But that did not work out since Morg's only success in the first half was to get one stun in 8 rounds. It took quite some time before I realized it would probably have been better to use him as ball carrier. He would still have been able to hurt your players and he would have tied up your best players and my other players would have had more freedom. Lesson learned for next time I use him.
I was considering taking Zara + Griff instead of Morg but since you have two tackle players you could handle them much more easier than Morg and I wanted to have two guys with mighty blow to have a bigger chance of removing your players from the field.
I have never really tried the fouling game. Is it considered ok in this league to use fouling extensively?
/H
Zara would've been good against my av7 players (4 of them), especially since you don't need to get them down to roll armor. I understand the hurting tactics, but as I mentioned in-game you might've helped Morg by getting him 3D blocks.
As to fouling, it's a legit tactic with it's own risks and rewards. I find it best used with discretion on targeted players(hello kvailad's Mino!), but coaches like Luiggi has been known to put the boot in rather actively at the end of a match when he's frustrated about his Orcs not injuring the opposition by more conventional means ;) So to answer your question: I don't think the community here frowns upon it as a tactic, but some players might feel more adverse to it than others. Not me though, about 1/3 odds for getting a player sent off if you break armor seems a decent risk to take to try to get a player out. I find fouling to be a pretty balanced mechanic.
Just one question about BB Manager
Getingarna (inflicted): knocked downs - 16, KO - 4, Inj - 4, deaths - 1
DSS: (inflicted): knocked downs - 8, KO - 0, Inj - 6, deaths - 2
Do I read these numbers correct if I assume the following:
* I got 16 armor rolls while DSS got 8
* Out of 16 possibilties I removed someone from the field 8 times, while DSS did the same for 6 of his 8 attempts
?
/H
I just played a norse team with my dark elves in crunch cup, and he took 2 bribes as inducements, to complement his Dirty Player... I think he fouled me in just about every turn except 16!
But even so, also considering being under Barmutation's numerous boots more often than not, I find fouling to be a perfectly acceptable tactic. That is, as long as you have something to gain from removing the player. If you have the last turn 16, and you foul without that having any theoretical impact on the final outcome of the match, you're just being an asshole :D
Quote from: hakos on June 22, 2012, 11:16:05 AM
Just one question about BB Manager
Getingarna (inflicted): knocked downs - 16, KO - 4, Inj - 4, deaths - 1
DSS: (inflicted): knocked downs - 8, KO - 0, Inj - 6, deaths - 2
Do I read these numbers correct if I assume the following:
* I got 16 armor rolls while DSS got 8
* Out of 16 possibilties I removed someone from the field 8 times, while DSS did the same for 6 of his 8 attempts
Not quite... 16 is the number of armor rolls you succeeded on, ie knockded downs - cas - KO = stuns. If you take a look at your 2d6 stats you can see that you broke my armor very often, but only succeeding in average KO/cas, while I didn't make as many armor rolls (relative to getting a player down with a block) but when I did it was a 10 or better 6 out of 4 times! So while you had the luck with your armor rolls, I had insane luck with my injury rolls.
Quote from: kvasilad on June 22, 2012, 11:18:19 AM
you're just being an asshole :D
Isnt it ok to be an asshole? :)
Never that i have fouled on turn 16, i have thought of it on several occasions though ;)
My personal opionion is that its part of the game, plus you have always the chance to kill someone! 8)
/Gnaarkill
Quote from: Gnaarkill on June 22, 2012, 12:03:20 PM
Isnt it ok to be an asshole?
I believe everyone will have to answer that for themselves :P
Quote from: Gnaarkill on June 22, 2012, 12:03:20 PM
Never that i have fouled on turn 16, i have thought of it on several occasions though
My personal opionion is that its part of the game, plus you have always the chance to kill someone!
It definitely is part of the game, and there are no rules in this league against fouling on turn 16 as far as I know. I'm merely saying that I would be considering you an asshole for doing so, which may or may not matter to you in the slightest :D
There are exceptions, you could be on turn 16 while your opponent has his turn 16 afterwards, and you could be fouling his jump-up ball carrier who is actually threatening a TD in his turn 16. In that case, it would be perfectly legitimate. If you had received SPP for causing injuries through fouling (which you don't), then it would also have been legitimate, as there is a clear gain potential for you.
I guess there's also the argument that you know you're going to meet this guy again in the play-offs right after this match or something like that, but I think that's pretty thin.
Given no such circumstances, you're doing absolutely nothing but attempting to cause grief, with no potential benefits for yourself. That's pretty close to my exact definition of being an asshole :D
Quote from: Barmution on June 22, 2012, 11:02:42 AM
Zara would've been good against my av7 players (4 of them), especially since you don't need to get them down to roll armor. I understand the hurting tactics, but as I mentioned in-game you might've helped Morg by getting him 3D blocks.
As to fouling, it's a legit tactic with it's own risks and rewards. I find it best used with discretion on targeted players(hello kvailad's Mino!), but coaches like Luiggi has been known to put the boot in rather actively at the end of a match when he's frustrated about his Orcs not injuring the opposition by more conventional means ;) So to answer your question: I don't think the community here frowns upon it as a tactic, but some players might feel more adverse to it than others. Not me though, about 1/3 odds for getting a player sent off if you break armor seems a decent risk to take to try to get a player out. I find fouling to be a pretty balanced mechanic.
True, I tend to get frustrated when dudes in inferior armor with less Mighty Blow manage to break my orcs like glass. Keep in mind that if I haven't caused any serious damage in 15 turns, there's nothing to worry about about one more armor roll :P So it's more like proving a point on how injury rolls evade a team in a particular match ;D
Quote from: kvasiladGiven no such circumstances, you're doing absolutely nothing but attempting to cause grief, with no potential benefits for yourself.
There is potential benefit: some coaches will think it twice about piling on in turn 16 :D I also find it totally acceptable to foul in turn 16 if you suffered some important losses during the match and the other team hasn't. Call it some sort of justice or whatever. It's a whole different story when you've destroyed the opposition and you still foul on turn 16 without showing some mercy... that's kinda weak :P
So... what are the semi-finals match-ups?
Quote from: kvasilad on June 22, 2012, 12:51:02 PM
I guess there's also the argument that you know you're going to meet this guy again in the play-offs right after this match or something like that, but I think that's pretty thin.
Given no such circumstances, you're doing absolutely nothing but attempting to cause grief, with no potential benefits for yourself. That's pretty close to my exact definition of being an asshole :D
Well, you could argue that if you remove a dedicated ball-handler from a killer team, you would make it harder for that team to get to play you in the play-offs. I really don't see why a Chaos or Orc player that has loaded exclusively up on MB, PO and Claw should have reason to whine if they are subjected to turn 16 foul. After all their whole strategy is to hurt players, some righteous vengeance should be expected. Que Pulp Fiction quote ;)
@Luiggi:
I was in no way holding it against you, mate. I would've been pissed too.
Quote from: Barmution on June 22, 2012, 01:50:45 PM
Well, you could argue that if you remove a dedicated ball-handler from a killer team, you would make it harder for that team to get to play you in the play-offs.
I still think that's a bit too thin and conditional. Maybe if you, say, definitely know you're gonna face this guy in your next match.
Quote from: Barmution on June 22, 2012, 01:50:45 PM
I really don't see why a Chaos or Orc player that has loaded exclusively up on MB, PO and Claw should have reason to whine if they are subjected to turn 16 foul. After all their whole strategy is to hurt players, some righteous vengeance should be expected. Que Pulp Fiction quote ;)
Hehe, well, ok, if you have made such a team exclusively to try to kill, maybe. You may not really be interested in trying to win. If such a team has a couple of killers, then no, I don't really agree with this justification either. Numbers advantage is the only thing that enable certain teams to win against agile teams.
I can, however, understand the pure frustration in some games that will lead up to doing this out of pure rage, instead of it being "premeditated" as such :D
Quote from: kvasilad on June 22, 2012, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: Barmution on June 22, 2012, 01:50:45 PM
Well, you could argue that if you remove a dedicated ball-handler from a killer team, you would make it harder for that team to get to play you in the play-offs.
I still think that's a bit too thin and conditional. Maybe if you, say, definitely know you're gonna face this guy in your next match.
Yeah, I don't really agree with that myself. I just said that you could argue it. ;)
Quote from: kvasilad on June 22, 2012, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: Barmution on June 22, 2012, 01:50:45 PM
I really don't see why a Chaos or Orc player that has loaded exclusively up on MB, PO and Claw should have reason to whine if they are subjected to turn 16 foul. After all their whole strategy is to hurt players, some righteous vengeance should be expected. Que Pulp Fiction quote ;)
Hehe, well, ok, if you have made such a team exclusively to try to kill, maybe. You may not really be interested in trying to win. If such a team has a couple of killers, then no, I don't really agree with this justification either. Numbers advantage is the only thing that enable certain teams to win against agile teams.
I can, however, understand the pure frustration in some games that will lead up to doing this out of pure rage, instead of it being "premeditated" as such :D
Agreed on both parts.
Quote from: Barmution on June 22, 2012, 01:50:45 PM
@Luiggi:
I was in no way holding it against you, mate. I would've been pissed too.
I know, I know :D
Regarding fouls, it's legal no matter when you do it.
Totally according to the rules.
So it's down to value risk vs cost, doing it turn 18 well as we are running a tight league.
We will face one another quite soon, so is more a friendly matter doing it or not.
For myself, it's only matter if protecting players or the game.
B
Quote from: Luiggi
So... what are the semi-finals match-ups?
Right, to the point.
Orcs vs H-elfs
Norse vs D-elfs
Quote from: Mr B on June 22, 2012, 06:43:41 PM
Regarding fouls, it's legal no matter when you do it.
Totally according to the rules.
So it's down to value risk vs cost, doing it turn 18 well as we are running a tight league.
We will face one another quite soon, so is more a friendly matter doing it or not.
For myself, it's only matter if protecting players or the game.
B
[troll] I guess we can only foul in tied play-off matches [/troll]
Sorry, couldn't help it :P
Edit: Oh, match-ups are ready. I'm going to miss my killer blitzer, he sure has an appetite for agi 5 elves... oh well. Tell me when you're good to go, Arrow ;)
Hehe, good one. ;D