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Title: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: J-Reedy on July 18, 2013, 08:42:19 PM
All right, time to sign up for the 12th season of NUL! You can signup by replyin to this post. If you're a new coach, remember to read these rules (http://norscaleague.com/index.php?topic=65.0).

Following coaches have pre-signed up to the 12th season and they're speculating about following teams:
- Luiggi - new team, skaven perhaps
- Equilibri - Klar Karond Seahawks (delf)
- Barmution - new team
- Kvasilad - new team
- The Golden Arrow - ?
- Hakos - new team
- J-Reedy - new team probably
- Lars - new team, dwarf/undead

I'll add in new signups to this list. My own situation is that I'll be out of country almost all of October until start of November. If we stay in the 10 to 12 team range, I should be able to get through all of the season but it might be possible that I'll have to forfeit later games depending how the league goes. I'll probably roll a new fun team that has slender chances of success so that I won't mess up the playoffs race. Or if there ends up being uneven amount of teams, I can drop out from this season.

It seems that most if not all of the coaches will be rolling new teams. To avoid the talk about allowed TV values at the start of every season, I suggest that we agree on some kind less-or-more permanent season structure. Here are some options, if anybody comes up with anything different, please speak up:
A. Every season with no TV limits. Every season is played without any team value limits, you can bring any team from previous NUL seasons.
B. Three/four season sets with growing TV limits. We'll play first season with a low TV limit (1200?). Second with higher limit (1500?), third/fourth with even higher (2000?). After the third/fourth season we'll start a new set of three/four seasons where first season will be the low TV, second higher, and so on.
C. We'll play every other season with a low TV limit and every other without TV limit.

All of these choices have pros and cons. It's up to us to decide which system we would like to use, so let's here some opinions!

As to the league structure, we could may agree that the number of the teams decides the format. So if there are 6 to 8 teams, only 2 make it into playoffs. With 10 or 12 teams 4. 14 and more (if we ever get that big) 8 teams into playoffs.

OK, time for me to shut up and give you a chance to speak up. Remember that NUL is a democratic community, everybody has a say and every opinion is valued!
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: Lars on July 18, 2013, 10:32:34 PM
I will be on vecation for about 3 weeks but is we start after that I can join whit a new team dwarfor undead.


/Lars
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: Luiggi on July 19, 2013, 09:54:48 AM
I like both options B and C. Option A might be a bit too hardcore to new players who don't have a veteran team or coaches who want to start over... inducements are not bad to compensate at higher TVs, but rookie teams with just a few skills here and there can't really compete versus a full geared team, even with the help of Morg and company.

B sounds interesting with the growing TV limits, granting some flexibility and diversity to the league. Since there are not too many different coaches (at least for now!), spicing it up a little bit with different teams every few seasons sounds good.

As for option C, I can also see it happening... it would give us a "Minor NUL Championship" and a "Major NUL Championship", depending on the TV limit chosen for that season.

Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: Barmution on July 19, 2013, 10:54:18 AM
B or C for me too. C is interesting because new coaches can play their "serious" teams in the low TV seasons until they are comfortable in joining the high TV seasons and put in a team that makes the most of inducements or just cause carnage (hello, gobbys!) in the high TV seasons for fun up to that point.
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: equilibri on July 19, 2013, 04:44:33 PM
I think B is the best option.
Joining this season (11) with a new team was pretty harsh, but I knew what I did, so I had fun anyway!

I think if the TV-limit is reseting to 1'000 every 4:th season we will have different seasons, and players can try out new and different teams without having to play against the totally nuts teams that has been playing for infinity! :D
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: tags on July 20, 2013, 02:25:09 PM
All options (A, B or C) work for me, I'll adapt. I'm leaning towards options that encourage new joiners to the league though, so I guess option A is kinda off the table. As I've grown quite fond of our little corner of the internet, I'd really like to keep it going :)

As for this season, I'm pretty sure I'm rolling a new Khorne team, so I plan on cursing and losing a lot. On one hand, it would be good to have a lot of other fresh teams in the league, on the other hand it's easier to have excuses if the other teams are experienced :D

I'm going to have a lot of difficulty scheduling matches for the next two weeks, because of vacation and stuff. I'll try to get one in there in that period, but I may have to skip the first match, depending on season start date.
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: The Golden Arrow on July 21, 2013, 04:25:11 PM
I plan on playing my one season old underworld team. I think option C is preferable, B seamsa bit too rigid.
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: johoohno on July 23, 2013, 02:08:10 AM
I think I'll pass this coming season, even though I'm tempted to join in again (I had fun the last season).

Have a good one!
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: hakos on July 25, 2013, 10:32:06 AM
Seems I should reply here formally about what team to play.

For season 12 I will try something completely new for me. Time for Elfs. "Pro" elfs to be exact, or, in my hands I guess it will be more of "Amateur" elfs.

As for season structure, I can live with whatever, but I remember that it was quite hard then I started in season 7 with a new team and everyone else had developed teams. So in the intereset of promoting getting new players here from time to time I would prefer option B (primarily) or option C (secondarily).

Edit: And by the way, I can start season 12 whenever, but I have no problem waiting some weeks for other peoples vacations to be more suitable for a start.

/Hakos
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: The Golden Arrow on July 25, 2013, 11:41:58 AM
I can also start whenever we are ready.
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: Mr B on July 25, 2013, 05:30:20 PM
Re-created NUL: Feeder Camp
Password: campnul
Settings for now, 8 teams will play one "round robin" followed by one Cup, #1 vs #2.
Meaning all playes eachother Once.. and then top team playes runnerup team.

Let me know if I need to alter this.
I'll no be part of this more than admin this time, until I'll get more time ::)
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: Barmution on July 26, 2013, 02:08:18 PM
Er... mr. B, I'm trying to apply my Flings to the cup but the minimum TV is 900 and the Cook 'n' Rollas are 590. What to do?

-Barm
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: tags on July 26, 2013, 09:04:12 PM
I'm trying to sign up my team on a very dodgy mobile internet connection in a cabin by the sea, but it doesn't really seem to be working very well :D

I'll try to get the team signed up by the end of tomorrow, as we'll be stopping by home for a night. I think I'll be able to schedule my first match without problems, as I'll probably be back on a steady connection by mid-week next week.
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: Mr B on July 26, 2013, 11:42:44 PM
Quote from: Barmution on July 26, 2013, 02:08:18 PM
Er... mr. B, I'm trying to apply my Flings to the cup but the minimum TV is 900 and the Cook 'n' Rollas are 590. What to do?

-Barm
hehe, Whow.. alright.. if we are allowed to start that low.. I just lower the requisite.  ::)
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: Barmution on July 27, 2013, 10:54:19 AM
Quote from: Mr B on July 26, 2013, 11:42:44 PM
hehe, Whow.. alright.. if we are allowed to start that low.. I just lower the requisite.  ::)
It's 'Flings, man  :P

We be gettin' down wid da TeeVee Babylon style, mon!
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: tags on July 27, 2013, 03:08:20 PM
Frosted Flakes of Khorne have applied, ready to get humiliated for 8 games :D
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: equilibri on July 27, 2013, 09:40:41 PM
Klar Karond Seahawks have applied!
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: Mr B on July 28, 2013, 09:42:57 AM
5 in, you'r all welcome  8)
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: hakos on July 28, 2013, 10:32:49 PM
Dagor Draugs have arrived
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: J-Reedy on July 31, 2013, 12:39:33 PM
As Lars mentioned in his sign-up he is currently on vacation (I think this is his second week of three). I'm guessing he's away somewhere without Internet, so we'll have to wait with the start a week or so to get an 8 player league.

I'll try to come up with new team this weekend. I was thinking about halflings, but as great minds seem to think alike, so was somebody else and I'll pick another race. Currently the strongest candidates are lizardmen without sauruses or goblins.

As to the season structure, it seems that we'll be going with B or C. I'll take closer look at the opions this weekend and sketch up some kind of bylaws for our league structure.
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: J-Reedy on August 04, 2013, 03:13:51 PM
Goblin team Binky and the Pain has joined in. As an official representitive of the team, I'd like to announce that due to team's history, our players considers halflings as their main opponents this season. Curse on mr. Hoggins!
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: J-Reedy on August 04, 2013, 03:53:08 PM
Looking at the opinions about the season structure, it seems that there were two definitine yeays for B, one definite yeay for C, two mildly in favor of C and one mildly in favor of B. So how about the following arrangement:

- You can only play with teams that have played only in NUL sanctioned leagues or with new teams.
- We'll play in series of three seasons.
x In the 1/3 season the highest TV team that you can play is 1300.
x In the 2/3 season the highest TV team that you can play is 1600 (or the TV of the team with the highest TV from season 1/3 if that is higher than 1600).
x In the 3/3 season you can play any TV value teams.
- Allowances can be made to TV limits in cases of minor over-values. This is only however if ALL the coaches playing in the season agree to this. If anybody objects to a team with minor TV over-value, he/she can object either publicly or anonymously (with a PM to admin, that is either J-Reedy, Mr. B or Golden Arrow). If that is done, the team with over-value must lower it's TV or coach must choose another team.
- True TV is decided as follows:
x If you have 11 players or more in your team, your TV is that shown in the game with the exception that the value of the injured players is also calculated into TV. So if you have 11 players OK and 1 miss next player with a value of 100K, and your TV (without the injured player) is shown as 1300, your actual TV is 1400 (because the injured player's value is taken into account). [Maybe the following rule also?: You can play the first match with the injured player in roster, but after the first match you must sack either the injured player or lower your TV some other way by the amount that your TV was over the limit with the injured player's value counted in. Example: Limit is 1300. You have 11 players OK, 1 mng player with value of 50, your TV without the injured player is 1280 (so your true TV 1330 - over the limit). You don't want sack any OK players to take the true TV down to 1300 because that would mean you'd have to hire a freebooter for the game. So you can play the first match but after that one you'll have to lower the TV value by 30.]
x If you have less than 11 players, your TV is that shown in the game + value of the additional linemen that will be freebooted into your team to take your player count to 11. So if you 9 players OK and no other players, the basic cost of your linemen is 70K and your TV is shown as 1200, your true TV is 1340 (because the value of the 2 loner linemen that are automatically recruited into your team at the start of the match).
- You are only allowed to lower your TV by getting rid of rerolls, assistant coaches, cheerleaders and apothecary or by sacking players with SPP and replacing them with rookie players.

All right, opinions on those rules? I'd like to hear opinions especially on the TV limit numbers, the 1300/1600 are only shots from the hip, I haven't given them any closer consideration.

We could also maybe create a "prep-league" for the seasons 2&3/3. That would work like so: If anybody wants to join the 2nd or 3rd season of a series, they are allowed to play practice matches with other new teams in this prep-league (that would a challenge-based closed league, maybe with "no deaths" rule). Number of matches that new team can play in prep-league is limited (maybe to 2 or 3?) and after team has played in actual NUL league, it can't play in the prep-league. Teams that have played in the prep-league can't join season 1 of the series.

PS. I've PM'd Lars that we'll start the season 12 as soon as he joins in.
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: equilibri on August 04, 2013, 08:06:04 PM
I think the structure looks very good!
Specially like the "between seasons"-idea to train new teams!

Good work, J-Reedy!

Really eager to get started!
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: Barmution on August 05, 2013, 10:39:06 AM
Good work on the ruleset, J-R!

1300 and 1600 seems fair at a glance but there's always the option to revise that number if experience tells us to.

And for your gobbos: Bring it on, bitches! We'll get in your grill and then we'll use it to prepare some delicious meals. That's supposed to be a threat, FYI. We're not very good at threats.

-Barm
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: hakos on August 05, 2013, 12:50:59 PM
Rules look good to me. Go for it!

Like the idea of a prep-league.

I would perhaps like to set the TV to 1200 for season 1. Personally I think the TV differences matters the most in the beginning for new teams. Therefore I would prefer 1200 there. 1600 for season 2 seems fine. But 1300 will work as well.

/Hakos
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: tags on August 05, 2013, 08:19:58 PM
I also think 1300 is a tad high if we want to encourage fresh teams. Other than that, I'm happy with it.
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: Lars on August 09, 2013, 09:25:23 AM
Hi back from vacation  have signed up with a dwarf team.

/Lars
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: Mr B on August 09, 2013, 10:58:56 AM
Quote from: Lars on August 09, 2013, 09:25:23 AM
Hi back from vacation  have signed up with a dwarf team.

/Lars
Cool, accepted!
There are 8 Teams now BTW  8)

And so now how do you want the setup?
Right now it's Cup - 8 Teams - and internal Cup *no round robin* for 2 teams.

But I think we want a GrandSlam with 8 teams in 1 division with One round robin and followed up with a Cup for 2 teams.
Normally means #1 and #2 from GrandSlam fight off for the Trophy.

If you just want a normal Round Robin round without the Final Cup for x-Teams I suggest a Championship version instead.
Just so no one fire it off without knowing the setup.
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: tags on August 09, 2013, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: Mr B on August 09, 2013, 10:58:56 AM
But I think we want a GrandSlam with 8 teams in 1 division with One round robin and followed up with a Cup for 2 teams.
Normally means #1 and #2 from GrandSlam fight off for the Trophy.

This!

Didn't we discuss and agree on this already?
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: Mr B on August 10, 2013, 09:24:15 AM
Hmm, Cup is the correct choice here as it seams.

7 games followed by One game as a Cup.

GrandSlam is games what we had before 7 game followed by 7 games and a Cup one game.
I.E not wanted.

Cheers!
/B
Title: Re: SEASON 12 SIGNUP & SEASON STRUCTURE
Post by: Mr B on September 09, 2013, 08:20:07 PM
So if you get some RL or other friends who'd like to join us here...
Please give me a pm, there are lot's of B-O-T's who I give the boot on and on.

So if I miss and kick a real player, sorry just join again and tell your friends.

Cheers!
/B