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Title: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: The Golden Arrow on May 11, 2014, 11:03:31 PM
OK, the regular season is over and it's time for play offs. I'm sure J-Reedy has some nice fluff text to write so I will just put the matches up and say good luck to everyone (especially me :)).

Spawning Brothers vs Lords of Sith
Unbreakable Panzer Squad vs ColaChaos
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: The Golden Arrow on May 11, 2014, 11:06:04 PM
I probably have the most filled up week of the whole spring next week as we have "Lundakarnevalen" next weekend which is a huge event (about 400 000 visitors) that I am working with.

I might be able to get a game in on Tuesday night kinda late (say 21.00), but otherwise I think this week is screwed. Next week I'm not really sure about but should be able to play some nights at least.
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: hakos on May 12, 2014, 07:57:07 AM
Quote from: The Golden Arrow on May 11, 2014, 11:06:04 PM
I probably have the most filled up week of the whole spring next week as we have "Lundakarnevalen" next weekend which is a huge event (about 400 000 visitors) that I am working with.

I might be able to get a game in on Tuesday night kinda late (say 21.00), but otherwise I think this week is screwed. Next week I'm not really sure about but should be able to play some nights at least.

That is about the worst time possible for me, I *might* be able to make it but I would really prefer to postpone it.

/hakos'
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: The Golden Arrow on May 12, 2014, 09:22:26 AM
I'm all for waiting until next week. If it's ok with you I would prefer to wait to set the time until next monday cause I don't really know how the week will plan out right now.

If you could give your possible start times I could try to plan around that though.
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: Luiggi on May 12, 2014, 12:58:08 PM
Hi there,

Another season, another Play-off match between Barm and Luiggi, promising to be a nice show. Which also means one of us is going to make it to the finals back to back :)

My best times for kick off are:

Tuesday: 20:15 to 20:30
Thursday: 20:15 to 20:30

Seeing as the other semi-final might get postponed, just tell me if that works and if it doesn't, make a proposal and I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: Barmution on May 12, 2014, 02:58:30 PM
Unfortunately, none of those are any good for me this week, Luiggi  :(

I could possibly do Friday night or early or late Sunday, otherwise we're looking at the next week, I'm afraid.

-Barm
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: Luiggi on May 12, 2014, 05:08:27 PM
Quote from: Barmution on May 12, 2014, 02:58:30 PM
Unfortunately, none of those are any good for me this week, Luiggi  :(

I could possibly do Friday night or early or late Sunday, otherwise we're looking at the next week, I'm afraid.

-Barm

Sunday should be ok for me, starting anytime between 18.00 and 20.30 (the later, the better, though). Tell me if that works, or we'll just wait to see how next week looks like.
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: hakos on May 12, 2014, 07:24:24 PM
Quote from: The Golden Arrow on May 12, 2014, 09:22:26 AM
I'm all for waiting until next week. If it's ok with you I would prefer to wait to set the time until next monday cause I don't really know how the week will plan out right now.

If you could give your possible start times I could try to plan around that though.

Generally speaking I'm almost Always busy on tuesday and wednesday evenings. But can play other evenings from 18/19.

So monday at 19 could be a candidate, after that it would have to be thursday next week, quite a long time to wait.

In the weekends I can play more or less any time, even strange very early or very late times.

/hakos
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: Barmution on May 13, 2014, 07:58:18 AM
Quote from: Luiggi on May 12, 2014, 05:08:27 PM
Sunday should be ok for me, starting anytime between 18.00 and 20.30 (the later, the better, though). Tell me if that works, or we'll just wait to see how next week looks like.
Sunday at 20.30 it is, then! Can't wait to see how this one plays out  ;)
-Barm
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: Luiggi on May 14, 2014, 02:07:09 PM
Quote from: Barmution on May 13, 2014, 07:58:18 AM
Quote from: Luiggi on May 12, 2014, 05:08:27 PM
Sunday should be ok for me, starting anytime between 18.00 and 20.30 (the later, the better, though). Tell me if that works, or we'll just wait to see how next week looks like.
Sunday at 20.30 it is, then! Can't wait to see how this one plays out  ;)
-Barm

Nice, see you this weekend!
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: Luiggi on May 18, 2014, 08:35:40 PM
Barmution's curse against me continues yet another season (2-1 for Chaos).

Long story short: he got Nuffled big, big, big time. And every time he gave him a break and some hope, he'd smash it right away. Did it with an interception (natural 6) on a counterattack, and did it again with snake eyes on the 1-turner attempt. Not to mention the insane amount of stuns I inflicted, his crappy KO recovery and my infallible blocking dice and 1 dice rolls.

Sorry for your tough luck, if it's worth anything. I would have preferred it otherwise to be honest.

----------------

Please tell me when Dark Elves and Lizards are playing, I'd love to watch the game live if possible!

(http://bbm.jcmag.fr/BloodBowlManager.WebSite/ImageMatchReport.aspx?Id=286577&lang=en)

Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: Barmution on May 18, 2014, 10:23:22 PM
Another INCREDIBLY one-sided play-off match vs Luiggi. This one was probably the worst so far. I'm out for next season, got to think of the blood pressure. This is shit. Pure shit.
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: hakos on May 19, 2014, 10:23:41 AM
Congratulations on the final place Luiggi.

I watched the match between you and the elves. I hoped to learn some elven tricks to use against a bashing team and I sure did.

I was quite fascinated by Barmutions play since it is VERY different from how I play elves so it gave me some things to think about. In my humble opinion barm played a high risk / high reward game which failed due to dices but it still was very impressive to watch. I actually groaned loudly then Luiggi intercepted the ball that very well could have the changed the match completely.

/hakos
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: hakos on May 19, 2014, 10:24:49 AM
Hi Golden

Do you think we can play today? I can start any time from 19 and forward. Might even be able to start 18 if I get to know about it in advance so I can leave early from work.

/Hakos
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: The Golden Arrow on May 19, 2014, 12:06:50 PM
Yeah I could play today. I'm really tired after the weekend though but that's only good for you I guess ;). Let's say 19.00 now but I might need to change it (will tell you here if that's the case).
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: Barmution on May 19, 2014, 01:07:10 PM
Quote from: hakos on May 19, 2014, 10:23:41 AM
I was quite fascinated by Barmutions play since it is VERY different from how I play elves so it gave me some things to think about. In my humble opinion barm played a high risk / high reward game which failed due to dices but it still was very impressive to watch. I actually groaned loudly then Luiggi intercepted the ball that very well could have the changed the match completely.

/hakos
The high risk/high reward only came into play when I was out of other options as I continually had 2-3 of my players stunned at any given time and thus couldn't muster a column defense. Then Luiggi started to get more KOs and cas to boot. Dodging into 3 TZ with Dodge is 55% likely to succeed and since he had a ball-carrier wo Block that's a 50% knock down chance with a decent chance of the ball spilling outside the cage to boot. That interception came as the turd nugget topping on a shit sundae as Nuffle handed me no less than 3 dub skulls to Luiggi's none and 2 snake-eye dodges while Luiggi during the final turns of the 1st half was doing short passes and ag3 reception and dodges wo RRs like it wasn't even a thing.

I don't mind getting bashed to bits because that's what av7 is supposed to do. What I DO mind is getting outdiced in every fucking vital instance the entire fucking match because it makes a mockery of positioning and risk management and it showcases how retarded this game is at it's worst. Like yatzee with a hint of chess with the being good at chess part being about as important as a monkey knowing how to operate a nuclear submarine.

Now I'm not claiming that Luiggi played poorly, he played very well as he always does. I'm just saying that playing this game is not fun for me when every important move I make get shot down in flames by Nuffle while my opponent gets away scot free with everything. At some point I just have to accept that BB is like this - you just can't expect this not to happen. Lately I've been having a lot of these type of games, being both the Nuffled part and the part that can capitalize on everything going crap for his opponent. I'm not able to enjoy any of those types of match. I want a game where you match wits and skill and the ability to predict probabilities and likely outcomes. Some people just want to move pieces, hit stuff and see what happens. BB at its best can make both types of people enjoy it, BB at its worst at least makes me wish that I didn't waste my time on it.
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: hakos on May 19, 2014, 04:26:31 PM
Quote from: The Golden Arrow on May 19, 2014, 12:06:50 PM
Yeah I could play today. I'm really tired after the weekend though but that's only good for you I guess ;). Let's say 19.00 now but I might need to change it (will tell you here if that's the case).

Ok, then I will leave work shortly and prepare for the game.

/hakos
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: The Golden Arrow on May 19, 2014, 05:26:21 PM
19 will be fine.
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: The Golden Arrow on May 19, 2014, 06:46:10 PM
I'll be 15 mins late.
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: hakos on May 19, 2014, 06:56:46 PM
Great, I was just gonna ask you to start later myself...

19:30 might be even better from my point of view...

/hakos
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: The Golden Arrow on May 19, 2014, 07:16:35 PM
OK, see you then.
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: hakos on May 19, 2014, 09:21:19 PM
aargh, forgot about diving tackle in the last turn, should have blitzed the skink first, h-e
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: Luiggi on May 19, 2014, 09:50:37 PM
Quote from: hakos on May 19, 2014, 09:21:19 PM
aargh, forgot about diving tackle in the last turn, should have blitzed the skink first, h-e

Heh, I noticed, I just finished watching the game and I think you overlooked Diving Tackle and Prehensile Tail. It was fun to watch though.

Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: hakos on May 19, 2014, 10:04:02 PM
Good that we could give the audience value for their money (time?)
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: Barmution on May 20, 2014, 09:06:58 AM
Yeah, it was a good match to watch, a bit cringe inducing when Hakos didn't notice the Diving Tackle but at 0 RRs his chances were slim to win it on overtime. Well played by both of you, guys :). And gratz to TGA and Luiggi who now have to give us a reasonably worthy finals. Eyes on the prize, lads!
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: Luiggi on May 20, 2014, 09:18:53 AM
Quote from: Barmution on May 20, 2014, 09:06:58 AM
Yeah, it was a good match to watch, a bit cringe inducing when Hakos didn't notice the Diving Tackle but at 0 RRs his chances were slim to win it on overtime. Well played by both of you, guys :). And gratz to TGA and Luiggi who now have to give us a reasonably worthy finals. Eyes on the prize, lads!

We gave you 24 turns 3 seasons ago and I hope that the match will be as interesting as that one was. Only this time I'm the mutant!

Shall we schedule here or wait for the Final thread?
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: J-Reedy on May 20, 2014, 09:40:42 AM
Quote from: Barmution on May 19, 2014, 01:07:10 PM
Now I'm not claiming that Luiggi played poorly, he played very well as he always does. I'm just saying that playing this game is not fun for me when every important move I make get shot down in flames by Nuffle while my opponent gets away scot free with everything. At some point I just have to accept that BB is like this - you just can't expect this not to happen. Lately I've been having a lot of these type of games, being both the Nuffled part and the part that can capitalize on everything going crap for his opponent. I'm not able to enjoy any of those types of match. I want a game where you match wits and skill and the ability to predict probabilities and likely outcomes. Some people just want to move pieces, hit stuff and see what happens. BB at its best can make both types of people enjoy it, BB at its worst at least makes me wish that I didn't waste my time on it.

I symphatize completely with you, Barm. I used to get extremely frustrated with BB until I realized that you can have superior team and superiorly l33t skillz and still lose because at the end, it's up to the dice. When the teams are even and coaches are at similar skill levels, the basically the deciding factor will be who rolls the better (or crappier) dice at critical moments. I also think that this computer version of the game actually makes things more random and frustrating because when you're playing the board game with real dice, you actually feel more like in control when you're actually rolling the dice yourself. After I accepted that, I just started going for the more roleplaying kind of gaming with the little stories I like to write. I DO still get frustrated when Nuffle starts smacking my players into the turf but a lot less now than two decades ago when I started playing the game.

Hope you get over the frustration, it would be swell to see you in next season.
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: hakos on May 20, 2014, 12:17:00 PM
Quote from: Barmution on May 20, 2014, 09:06:58 AM
Yeah, it was a good match to watch, a bit cringe inducing when Hakos didn't notice the Diving Tackle but at 0 RRs his chances were slim to win it on overtime. Well played by both of you, guys :). And gratz to TGA and Luiggi who now have to give us a reasonably worthy finals. Eyes on the prize, lads!

Agree, even if I had noticed the diving tackle I would have needed to blitz away the skink, dodge, pick up and when win in 4 turns with 0 RR vs 2 RR with the Lizards as receiving. So it was probably his match anyway. But still, it hurts to forget about it.

/Hakos
Title: Re: Play Offs - Semifinals
Post by: Luiggi on May 20, 2014, 01:36:08 PM
Quote from: J-Reedy on May 20, 2014, 09:40:42 AM
Quote from: Barmution on May 19, 2014, 01:07:10 PM
Now I'm not claiming that Luiggi played poorly, he played very well as he always does. I'm just saying that playing this game is not fun for me when every important move I make get shot down in flames by Nuffle while my opponent gets away scot free with everything. At some point I just have to accept that BB is like this - you just can't expect this not to happen. Lately I've been having a lot of these type of games, being both the Nuffled part and the part that can capitalize on everything going crap for his opponent. I'm not able to enjoy any of those types of match. I want a game where you match wits and skill and the ability to predict probabilities and likely outcomes. Some people just want to move pieces, hit stuff and see what happens. BB at its best can make both types of people enjoy it, BB at its worst at least makes me wish that I didn't waste my time on it.

I symphatize completely with you, Barm. I used to get extremely frustrated with BB until I realized that you can have superior team and superiorly l33t skillz and still lose because at the end, it's up to the dice. When the teams are even and coaches are at similar skill levels, the basically the deciding factor will be who rolls the better (or crappier) dice at critical moments. I also think that this computer version of the game actually makes things more random and frustrating because when you're playing the board game with real dice, you actually feel more like in control when you're actually rolling the dice yourself. After I accepted that, I just started going for the more roleplaying kind of gaming with the little stories I like to write. I DO still get frustrated when Nuffle starts smacking my players into the turf but a lot less now than two decades ago when I started playing the game.

Hope you get over the frustration, it would be swell to see you in next season.

I couldn't agree more with J-Reedy. I've had the same feeling when things went bad, and surprisingly, I don't consider I am enjoying this game any more with my current luck trend than in any other season with "regular" luck. Actually, I really enjoy tighter and "fairer" games even if it means losing, than stomping the opponent with awesome dice. After all, and especially in such a friendly league, it's all about having fun (for both players). I don't really feel comfortable when my opponent struggles all game long, the same way it happens when I struggle. I completely understand that fun can be ruined by shitty dice and especially in a long streak of bad luck or, in this case, a silly "curse" with me and play-offs. So as others have mentioned, I hope you are still around next season (I won't, so the curse might get lifted!).

PS: I don't know if you've played goblins before, but playing them has helped me a lot to get a better state of mind when it comes to this game... kind of like therapy. Must be because winning or losing doesn't really matter for those critters and most games are crazy as hell.

PS 2: Thanks all who congratulated us, we hope we can give you an entertaining final! Reaching it is already an achievement for my Chaos side, so win or lose I'll be very happy with this season.