Norsca Union League

Quote from: krim_nielsen on January 30, 2011, 02:44:12 PM
hellos bodyschlompf!

wednesday or thursday from 19:00 ?

Wednesday @ 19 would be nice!

Quote from: Mr B on January 29, 2011, 07:14:55 PM
I think I can handle the league.. as far as it comes to arrange new seasons and add new teams, kick-off a new season etc..

...

Cya around!
/B

B you are fudging Angel if you take this on! I'm in a serious need of taking a break cause I simply can't keep on going on like I have done so far. I've hit the wall, and it feels like I'm loosing my mind..

But when it comes to minor task like updating the win%-table, keeping track of teams in hibernation, manage the BBmanager league and stuff that have no or little time pressure. I can still do that. I can also take on the task of cleaning up the forum between every season. When I feel rested I might even be back to write some fluff for the league.

The position I'd like to take on from season 2 is one similar to "Admin": A "support on demand" type of figure. I've learned some things about how the forum Admin has put together work, I also started to learn "GIMP" (similar to Photoshop) so I can possibly provide you with low quality artwork if you like  :D

Anyways, as I said, I can do stuff that have little or no time pressure. But being Coordinator has lately made me feel awful, and I simply can't have that any longer. I had a chat with "Sneak" recently and he said that he might be able to help out. So that's a good thing.

So , B, if you would take this on I would be thrilled and I'll help you out as best as I can. If there's something that I'm sure of that would be that I wouldn't want you in a position where you started  to have the same feelings about being Coordinator as I recently have.

Cheers!

Hi guys... I don't know how to say this, cause it feels very hard but...

It feels like I have run myself in to a brick wall. I simply cannot continue to run this series, and even have to stop playing BB for some time as well.  :(  :(  :(  :(  :(

It's very complicated to explain why this is, and why this so sudden. I made my mind up last night, but the feelings about this has of course been going on for a long time. The simplest explanation why I feel the way I do is this: I've been the Coordinator for 8 months now and for most of that time I have poured more time and energy into this than I actually have. You could do such a thing for a short time, but over a length of time, you'll reach a meltdown sooner or later. This is what's happened to me. I feel _completely exhausted_. Lately even a simple info post has felt like climbing a huge mountain.

I have thought sooooo many times that "all I have to do is this, this and that and then I can relax. Next week will be easier". But that "next week" never comes: There's _always_ some new issue coming up that you feel you have to address, there is _always_ someone you need to inform quickly about something, there is _always_ people with burning questions that you need to answer right away... In my account on "Alvsvenskan.se" i have 24 pages of PM's in my inbox and 20 in the outbox... And I know I have deleted some of the PMs... On top of that, the time I spent on the forum is only the top of the ice: I have spent countless hours thinking and planning how to make this league work better and how to please as many as possible... Running this has meant 20% fun and 80% stress for a long time and I simply cannot take it any longer... I need air. I need time of and I need it now, not in three months or so...

So what happens know?

Well, we should finish the season, that's for sure. I'll be playing my games and do the most important chores I need to attend to. League admins "Mr.B" and "The Golden Arrow" (Nuffle bless them!) will do what they usually do and well have no problem finishing the season. Then we basically have two options:

Option 1: We hope that someone comes forward and take the office of running this series, and NUL survives another day. My predictions are that if someone doesn't  take my position at latest early March, then the community is screwed for sure.

Option 2: We meet an agreement to make an group application to another league, and use our numbers as a tool for negotiating an agreement that people can use their NUL-teams in the other league. In order to be effective, I would predict that at least 10 of us need to agree to do this, and these 10 need to agree on which league we should try and negotiate with. Furthermore, the league should be an European based community in the small/mid size, otherwise we wouldn't  have a good point to base our negotiations from ("UKBBL or Blood & Snot" are my bets).

Well... I guess I don't have more say...  :(
I hate to disappoint you all, but please try and understand my perspective... I just can't take it any longer... Lets hope for the best...

Sincerely,
/bodyschlompf

Well, to be precise. Dansk Blood Bowl Liga's competition Bloody Fists Grand Slam is practically a Cup (the just call it grand slam for some reason). They seed the divisions according to TV, and don't make any promotions/relegations between the div between the seasons. So it's practically one big cup.

I don't know... A merger would be nice... But seriously... ONE league in the league client? Combined we would be 45 coaches... The closest number we had to be is 46, which is close, but then there most probably will be some dropouts (exactly everyone won't go for a merger). So in effect we simply just had to wait with starting a season until we are a a good number. That's whats concerns me. You cannot control how many people that are interested in participating, if you are lucky, you gain that number pretty quickly, but if you don't, here's my fears: People would start getting restless and leave. And people that leaves a league generally don't tell you that, they just vanish. So if the process of seeding/applying to the league drags out on time, you could get a real mess.

One Grand Slam with 46 coaches can have the shortest season of 8 weeks (8 divisions, 6 teams each, 3 weeks PO). Which is good i think. It could also be 2 divisions 12 teams each giving a minimum season of 12 weeks ( a bit to long IMO). If you want to grow beyond 48, that would be unlikely, next proper number is 64... I don't know what to make of it to be honest... 5 week season as most of us have here is to short, I admit that. My aim is to build divisions consisting of 8 teams underneath Valhalla Cup, cause i think 7 week seasons would be optimum. Still, I'm not 100% with everything so if I hear more voices for i merger i could go for it...

*sigh*

Well, that was the 2nd and last time I tried to get a merger happening: Sadly, it seems as negotiations has broken down. At first it looked promising, but then we got stuck in the good ol' "my way or no way": The commish for Dansk Liga Blood Bowl "Schiller" insisted that we should use exactly that structure he uses now: All players in one big grand slam. And by one big, I mean one league in the in-game client. Anyone with experience with the client knows that if you want the whole league seeded into one league in the client, you basically HAVE TO be a certain numbers of coaches, otherwise you cannot start the season (and it is likely that you are forced to seed everyone in ONE division). "Schiller" thought that you just could wait until you are good number before you start the season. I think that's a bad idea to be honest. We both agreed however that one big grand slam with 45+ just wouldn't be practical: You either end up with long championship-phases (9+ weeks) or long playoffs ( 3- 4 weeks or so) that would mean that coaches who didn't make it to the PO would have to wait for a long time. But as he insisted that one big grand slam it had to be, then i felt i couldn't go any further. To bad.

Maybe you guys are of another opinion, and think that one big league in the client, and long seasons, are a good thing. If you you think so, i could try and go further. But as far as I'm concerned, well, I don't think that it would work out.
Darn. An additional 24 coaches would be a lifeline, both for D.L.B.B and NUL. Bt if it has to be like this then... Guess we are better of as we are now...

Of course! I don't care if I win or play a draw! I'm just after ruining someone else's winning streak!  :P

Quote from: Flying Circus on January 26, 2011, 12:58:08 PM
So far I like this page  ;D

It's all ready been broken. You tied against me in MD2, remember?  :P

 ;D  ;D  ;D

How cute! Death by Dolly, yay!

To Xath:

Hujeda mig, det känns som bara häromdan jag mötte dina smuts-gubbar.

Jag kan spela i stort sett vilken dag som helst förutom torsdag å gärna inte för sent.

Säg vad som passar dig...

Quote from: Firebringer on January 23, 2011, 06:31:42 AM

QuoteWell, the Danes want to use their Facebook group, but this is no problem. We need only the players that qualifies for the Valhalla Cup to come here. The rest can conduct their business there as usual. In the event that you have to merge the Danish national series with the Swedish, however, we'll have to choose (likely to happen during summer). Hopefully I can convince them to come here in that case.

Ah so there will be several seasons of NUL before the possible merge with the Danish league takes place?

Maybe... Maybe not. I want to convince them to all come here. And it's not all unlikely that I succeed with that.

I've joined their Facebook group and there's currently a big discussion about structure. We have some differences, but I hope we can eliminate those soon.

QuoteAll for it, but I'll stubbornly refuse to use Facebook for anything.

Well, the Danes want to use their Facebook group, but this is no problem. We need only the players that qualifies for the Valhalla Cup to come here. The rest can conduct their business there as usual. In the event that you have to merge the Danish national series with the Swedish, however, we'll have to choose (likely to happen during summer). Hopefully I can convince them to come here in that case.

Important message!

I'm currently conducting negotiations with a league called "Bloody Fists Grand Slam". The league is organized through a Facebook page called "Dansk Liga Blood Bowl". It has currently 35 members and 24 coaches are participating in their current season. Their season will end at the same time as ours, and the spread of TV amongst their teams is similar (slightly less then ours).

I'm hoping for a full merger here: With a feeder div up, we'll be 22 this season. Combined with B.F.G.S, we would be 46 coaches.

I'm telling you this: In my opinion, the outcome of these negations will probably be decisive for the future of both BFGS and NUL. If we could agree on a merger, the two leagues will have much higher chances of surviving long term. For this reason, I will be prepare to sacrifice a lot of what we know as NUL. My guess is that the special house features is the most likely thing to be sacrificed. It would feel bad, of course, but I think that it's worth it. The coaches at "Dansk Liga Blood Bowl" is fairly positive for this idea, so a merger is actually possible.

These negotiations take a lot of my time, so you may experience a small loss of activity on these boards from me.

Feel free to comment on this, if you have any opinions. I'll post as soon as i have anything more to say in this matter.

Best regards,

/bodyschlompf

Attention!

Sneak PM:ed on the "Alvsvenskan"-forum yesterday and told me that Vince from Focus e-mailed him about Blood Bowl World Cup 2011. Sneak hasn't  been Coordinator since May 2010, and have told Vince that several times (does he listen? NO!)

As _always_ they launch an announcement with _very_ short notice. They have, however, created an committee  consisting of the Coordinators from the mayor leagues. So that's one good thing. I'm not sure what to make of this, so I'll just go ahead and copy-paste the content of the e-mail. I don't care if it upsets Vince:

QuoteHello Viktor,

First of all happy new year and best wishes for 2011.

I'm contacting you because we would like to launch a new competition.

Maybe Zephyre told you about it? We set up a committee to help us manage and organize this competition. It is composed of:

-          Zephyre, administrator of Orca Cola

-          Krampus, administrator of Sturm Von Stahl

-          Valentsigma, administrator of Tirandodados

-          Toblerona, administrator of BBLigue

-          Waldorf, administrator of UKBBL

-          Garthnait, administrator of Deutsche BB League

-          Galanthil, administrator of Franco Bowl

-          Valis, administrator of the Fun League

Our first concern was not to reproduce the same mistakes as for the first competition. With their help we decided to launch a competition with a new format.


The format should be as follow:

Inscription of players will begin during early February, and competition will start in March.


All league will be splitted between four groups. Each group will have two members of the committee in it, they will be responsible for this step of qualification. The groups will be formed and announce for the beginning of the competition. Depending on how many players will be involved in each group, each league will be given a number of ticket regarding the number of coaches playing in this league. The goal is to have each group qualifying 32 players for a second phase within three months.

During the second phase each 32 players will play through a play-off system to give the best player of each group. The 4 winners of each group will compete in semi-finale and finale to give the new champion.


We will post in a few days an announce describing more precisely the shape of the competition.

The point for us is to know if Alsvenskan would agree on being qualifying for this new competition?

We are trying to gather everything to set up the best competition possible. We hope the committee and the community will help us avoiding the mistakes we did last year.

Please let me know your decision as soon as possible.

Thanks in advance.


Best,

Vincent

If any of you guys are interested in participating in this, reply in this thread.

Personally i will not bother to work with the world cup: I hardly have enough time as it is and my experience with dealing with focus is very bad. There is, however, a nice cash price to be won. That's something.

Regards,

Bodyschlompf

Well, as coach of "Bosses Bollkester" I am of course interested in renewing this contract for season 2! We at "Bosses Bollkester" are very proud to be supported by Knockia!

Personally, I'm interested in getting an subscription from you as well, but my leader thrower "Bosse" is afraid that if we sign up his mother would send him SMS:es all the time. So, until I can convince "Bosse", I'll have to wait for this.

To abandon a game before all the turns in the match has been played is strictly forbidden. The exception to this rule is:
1- IRL emergencies.
2- The sudden appearance of game breaking bugs.

If these criteria has been met, or of the game end prematurely due to loss of connection, the coaches has two options:
1- Replay the game
2- Agree on a set score

If the coaches agree to replay the game they must contact a league admin immediately. If they agree on a set score, they need to contact a league admin and tell him what the score should be set to.

Important: In order to be valid, there must be consensus between the two coaches. Meaning that both coaches must agree which option to choose, and in the event of option 2: The score that should be set. If the coaches cannot reach consensus, the score that's defined by the in-game league client will stand.